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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2010, 03:56:25 pm »
Jim, it was fun watching Perry on your Watea's.? Until I saw him upside down in the trees.....
I was particularly looking forward to meeting Midwif as she seems to have a beautiful presence here and it was fun to see her point them down hill with a bit of a whoop and big grins.

I mosdef have to meet up with your gang again!

Whoops, Trish, I left you out of my original post!!!!!!!!! :(

It was good to meet you.? You are quite the skier!? I will get there some day.

Perry
Whoops are not an accident in my world.  It is a sound you make when you're having fun, so let out a big Whoop! and point 'em down hill!!!
S'all Good, eh!
Sometimes you just need to let your Bad Self ski!!
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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2010, 04:21:04 pm »
Jim,

You just gotta watch your skis around Perry.? Last year it was Rich Messer's skis and Perry had a grin on his face then too? ;)? 'course he pretty much always wears a big grin....

I can only imagine the interaction between midwif's humour and Clendenin nomenclature.? Were any new stories born of this like the "boot story"??

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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2010, 04:47:45 pm »

Todd:

Welll, yeahhh.  But you know what they say ----   >:D >:D >:D

What happens in Aspen stays in Aspen.

Sorry.

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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2010, 05:17:36 pm »
Thanks Perry, much appreciated!

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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2010, 02:48:32 pm »
Well I feel a bit stupid not asking this with my original width question.

Given that I'm looking for a ski in the 75-85mm width range, what length should I be looking at?

Based on the recommendations on the manufacturers websites (eg. Dynastar.com), I thought I'd get the skis approx 178 long.

But I notice from an earlier thread that JC skis his Peak 78 in 165. Wow, that's short! And by all accounts he is heavier than me (I'm 5'10", 180 pounds/82kgs).

Any tips on length?

Thanks.

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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2010, 05:11:11 pm »
Southpac
I think that John Clendenin is probably closer to 5'8".
He showed us film of him doing "ballet" skiing in the 70's.
He was a lithe, lean guy. Now he is fighting the same middle-aged battle
the rest of us are.

Good luck and enjoy your "keys to the kingdom".
"Play it Sam"

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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2010, 08:48:06 pm »
Southpac,

Kastle MX78 in a 168 with a KTi plate.

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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2010, 04:20:21 am »
Ok Thanks guys - Sounds like I should go short.

I'll check out the Kastle skis. They get a good review in Real Skiers - almost all 5's.


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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2010, 08:54:35 am »
Hey gang...had a few minutes before heading to the airport at JH.

Gotta say anytime you go away and ski 10 days in the west...you gotta improve just due to time spent making turns.

For me...although I could apply the Clendenin ski methods during drills, I found spending time working on the CSM skills, my all mountain skiing jumped a level. Pole plants, agressive use of the uphill edge in the love spot, and the biggie...skiing in the future. I really feel like I started to actively apply these skills with more confidence and it showed in the big pow bumps the whole week....the light bulb got brighter.

I know Lynn had some difficulty separating some of the keys from PMTS....but I'm hoping that with all the mental skills downloaded to our brains in the 2 day clinic that some of it will "ephipinize" itself this season. John and I spoke recently and he commented how strong of a skier Lynn was. I just wanted to re'inforce the fact that there is counter and edgeing that is different in its application than PMTS. CSM methods when applied makes skiing broken snow, powder and bumps so miuch easier to manage speeds.....even run out iced cat tracks. I know and saw the major improvements in Jim, Brendan, Alice, Jack and Lola.? On the last day I skied with Jack who almost gave skiing up last year, who had polio leaving him with limited use of his right foot, sat across from me at lunch and said with a huge smile on his face, " I finally accomplised a goal I've had since I started skiiing, to ski a bump run top to bottom in total control"! Priceless!

Skiing with my wife, watching her level of comfort in pow, broken snow and bumps...was amazing. She was a powerhouse this week....Had some work done on her boots, dumped her kiddie liners from her kids race boots, and purchased Intuition liners and wow...she said she felt she really could feel what people have been telling her she should be feeling with edge control. It made a huge difference in her ability to apply the tools in her ski skill bag.

It was a 1st class camp with a wonderful closing party. A great camp with my favorite coaches; Steve, Lisa and Piglet and of course? the Master...John.

Best to all,
Gary
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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2010, 10:37:39 am »
I finally have time to sit down and comment further on what I learned in the camp.  Part of this is for the board but mostly it just helps me think things out and record them when they are fresh.  I sometimes go back and rediscover some "secret"  that I discovered before.  I do the same thing in golf.........but I digress.

As Lynn has mentioned, one of the big differences of CSM is that there is an up move, or "up unweighting, up release" rather than flexion in the Harb PMTS.  For me that was a big hurtle and here is why.  When I was learning the PMTS, I had an up move like 99% of the skiing world and it took a lot of hard work to undo it.  I got to the point where when skiing groomers the flexion and "using the force" as HH say was a great and very cool, efficient and effective way to ski.  So it seemed like a big deal.  I skied so bad the 1st day that I decided to give it a try. 

The CSM up move is very gentle and subtle and did help me immediately move my center of mass down the mountain and feel the initiation of my new inside ski at the high (early) point of the turn.  I could feel the edgeless moment and the engagement of the LTE of my inside ski higher in the turn than previously.  Whether this was all CSM, or it was just time for me to make this progression, who knows for sure, but I honestly do think that being open and trusting John, and believing what he was teaching, really made some radical improvements in my skiing.  My speed control, ability to ski bumps, tactics for bump skiing, and confidence in other of piste skiing all really jumped up a notch.

Here is the best part.  When I ski groomers, the flexion move is still there any time I want it.  I don't think HH would say that I have mastered it, but I have it good enough to use it well and get it's benefits.  So, if you are new to PMTS and are really working on flexion, and find it difficult to do it without thinking about it, perhaps a CMS camp is not for you.  You might be better off working on the flexion until you can do it naturally, if being able to ski the PMTS method is important to you. 

Lynn's comments regarding the difference (mostly much less emphasis) on counterbalance and countering are also right on the money.  These really help to create edge angles which are not as helpful in bump skiing.  John's method gives greater emphasis on a consciousness of the feelings on the bottom of your feet, and a more intuitive gradual engagement of the edges. This actually works for me and my learning style.  If I become to technique focused, my skiing becomes less natural.  Again, it takes time to learn any new technique and at first it feels wooden and over worked and too self conscious.  Then, with work, what was mechanical, becomes natural....a sweet sensation in any sport.

To put it simply, for me at least, the CSM was able to give me tools to ski the whole mountain in 2 days that are immediately accessible to me.  Much of that is do to the sound fundamentals I gained from PMTS.  I now have both methods to pull from and look forward to using both on the mountain.  They are certainly not mutually exclusive and just as I have slightly different technique for my drive and my bunker play in golf, I have two good methods with which to enjoy the whole mountain.

Perry

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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2010, 01:07:07 pm »
Perry
Well written and thought out.
AND I LOVED THE DISCLAIMER!!

Doesn't seem to work for Gary though. He is sucking up new skis like......well, like RON. >:D
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Re: Clendenin camp report
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2010, 07:29:08 am »
Well said Perry and oK..Lynn ...well deserved!  ;D

Perry, I've been telling John that people that come from a PMTS background understand many technical aspects of skiing and I believe make a quicker adjustment and absorbtion to CSM. Sounds like you have expanded your ski skill bag and can draw from it the disciplines of 2 excellent ski programs.

Best,
G