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jbotti

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Some smooth bump skiing!!
« on: January 13, 2012, 08:55:28 am »
I have watched this bump skiing over and over again. It is some of the smoothest bump skiing I have seen. He is taking a banked line which also smooths things. Later he is doing dolphin turns with his tips. Amazing skiing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYAdgIN28KY&feature=related

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 11:16:45 am »
Keisuke Iyama, 44th Japan Technical Ski Championships, Overall Champion

Isn't he one of the guys in 4ce?
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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 11:54:28 am »
Nice skiing for sure...but what do you guys think of his drills?  They're fine by me, but I must say, they don't look like the sort of moves you guys typically cotton to.

Also,   are those truly 'dolphin turns"  Even on the groomer practice his tips never come off the snow, it looks like more of an aggressive heel lift and foot retraction (like just doing the back half of a dolphin turn)-whatever it is, it looks great when he takes it into the bumps.

I hope somebody puts out some English language voice overs on all these great Japanese instructional videos.

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 12:05:18 pm »
gesh...I burned 3000 calories watching the video...

Gotta first say that is some sweet snow to turn in....

He's got some very physical moves in there and some very interesting brush turns really brushing out the back half of the skis.

Some cool moves and  certainly way more energy than I could afford skiing bumps.

Fun to watch though...such amazing talent for sure.

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 12:11:08 pm »
Nice skiing for sure...but what do you guys think of his drills?  They're fine by me, but I must say, they don't look like the sort of moves you guys typically cotton to.

Drill-wise, not necessarily. The Japanese system is more of a work in process. From I understand from colleagues who attended interki last year is that the Japanese skiers are great, but their system is behind that of their Korean counter parts for example. It is still lightyears beyond what is being done in the US though.

Also,   are those truly 'dolphin turns"  Even on the groomer practice his tips never come off the snow, it looks like more of an aggressive heel lift and foot retraction (like just doing the back half of a dolphin turn)-whatever it is, it looks great when he takes it into the bumps.

You're right - not really a true dolphin turn - but I think you're right about the goal of teaching heel lift and retraction. The only bit I would add is that it is aimed at foot pullback and retraction - the heel lift is the means to an end in this case.

I hope somebody puts out some English language voice overs on all these great Japanese instructional videos.

Interestingly, they are saying the same thing about what "we typically cotton to" - but in reverse... they want a Japanese translation.

Another interesting note is a lot of Japanese ski instruction verbiage has no english translation - I think a lot of it is derived from martial arts training and is therefore a bit abscure to the typical western mind.

Regardless - the guys collectively rip.

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 12:13:27 pm »
I love watching these Japanese and Korean ski vids, it gets me through the summer months! This guy skis bumps like the way Freddie Couples swings a golf club - smmmmmooooooooth

But after watching this video I had similar issues. He looks really great through the bumps but I'm not sure if his drills will help anyone ski like him. Seems to be a common theme for these videos, they ski one way, but teach a different way.

Anyone speak Japanese? Someone needs to over dub these vids, like the Best Motoring Int'l car vids.
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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 03:56:38 pm »
great bump skiing.

still trying to figure out why he is showing a pivot point at his tips for the drills, because when he skiing in the bumps its is at his foot. Its totally unlike how he is skiing.

I like how in his pivot turns drill he is showing a strong CA/CB action.


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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 07:30:34 pm »
BW - I think he is trying to show a drill for keeping your weight forward on the turns, as well as keeping you aggressive in the bumps.  Despite - or perhaps because of the language barrier, that is one of the most instructive videos on bump skiing that I have seen.  Liam - we'll have to try that this weekend.  Maybe it will keep us warm! 

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2012, 07:45:44 am »
With Beastie Boy's encouragement, and the 12 inches of dense snow we've picked up (which allowed for some decent bump formation) I tried to incorporate the heel lift, retractions, tip-engage move demonstrated in this excellent video.  I don't have it down like this guy (especially with the slick CB/CA built in that Bushwacka alludes to) but, I will say, it's a winner of a move in the moguls if you get any part of it right.  It allows you to keep a tight line over the tops of each mogul-the svmm guys would be so proud--keep you well-centered and the tips engaged over and through the next hollow.   I would love to own that manuever at the bullet proof level because it's widespread applicability to all manner of offpiste undulations is enticing.

Beastie Boy had it down a lot smoother than I.

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 01:00:10 pm »
What are 'flappers'? 

What is the procedure for building a good dolphin turn?  (I've seen the go with a pro tutorial on it, and I've seen videos of HH and the Canadian Instructors doing them really well, but I don't know how to build up that turn). 

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2012, 07:16:41 pm »
the chris fellows video was enough to get me to do them 3-4 year ago.

Practicing the dolphin movement while standing still is a start.

the easiest way to take into turn is just to leverage on the back of boot then pull back and drive your shin forward. your delay your COM movement so you can actually transitions faster  I honestly have seen noone else in person besides myself who can actually demo it during a turn.

start by practiving on small bump field and use the bumps to help you get on your tails.

Once you get good at it make it so you can basically speed down and slow down at will, as well as giving a tactical way of clearing 'bad stuff". last week I actually dolphined over a downed log about 2 feet high while skiing tree. There is no way I could merely jump that high.

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2012, 08:28:07 pm »
Figuring out exactly which muscles to use can take some time and practice. Max stood by one day when it took me a couple of hours until finally figured out how to lift my talils off the ground. Many won't be as challenged as I was but it is definitely a new movement using muscles most skiers rarely use in skiing. Also watch out for a blister on your heel if you get flapper happy!!

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 04:45:26 am »
Thanks, Max.

Those are good videos and good advice.  I assume you need to balance on your poles for successful stationary flappers (like Chris Fellows does for stationary Dolphin Turns?)

So are 'Flappers' closer to what the japanese skier is demonstrating in the bump video?  Sort of a high-energy, mobile flapper?

Is that Mike Hafer a new demo team member...from his video I'd say he's a pretty ripping skier!

I Never get tired of Berger...his were the most low key and subtlest dolphin turns...but so damn sharp!

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Re: Some smooth bump skiing!!
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 12:54:32 am »
I am way envious..