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bushwacka

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Re: Carving Video 2011
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2011, 02:30:25 pm »
Greg's skiing is great, but better than Sato?

by looks yes, I would say Sato is obviously going to be faster.

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Re: Carving Video 2011
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2011, 04:12:02 pm »
That is some amazing skiing....

Watching the things I admired (besides his athletisim):

1)Arm movement and Pole plants so fluid

2) how square his hips stayed under him
3) Use of all 4 edges

Brillant....got me stoked waching him rip!

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Gray, just curious, when you say "how square his hips stayed under him" what do you mean? In PMTS we are not looking for the hips to stay square, we are actually looking for the counteracting forces that occur when the hips rotate against the direction of the turn or the skis. Square hips usually results in rotation of the upper body into or with the turn versus against or countered against the turn. 

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Re: Carving Video 2011
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2011, 04:35:02 pm »
Carving on groomed terrain versus ungroomed terrain are two different beasts. Greg's skiing is great. What Sato is doing puts him in a category of a select few that make the skis bite back into the hill and carve tight arcs in the steeps at speed off piste. Not many skiers can do what he does.

not many people want to either.

lets face it how many people really want to ski narrow carving skis off trail to be able to do it? the real answer is not many. If I am skiing bumps I am skiing bumps to get to something better and since most days for me skiing a narrow carving skis is far from ideal I am not going to be able to make turns in bumps like that. and those that want to it would not be hard to do 95 percent of what Sato is doing. I would say Greg can do it.

I look at this way they is only 2 form of judged off trail skiing contest. Big Mountain Freeskiing Comps, and Mogul Comps. Although i would argue judging is suspect in it self , especially in the big mountain comps where the "line score" rules and takes precedence over skill in some cases. Satos turns while in your eyes technically superior would have no chance of ever winning a big mountain comp because its to slow and the skis that are letting him do those turn would take super human skills to stomp landings on crudded out skied out landing.

The best off piste skiers are not interested in how dynamic they can ski a bump run, they are interest in how much fun they can have. Everyone idea of fun is different but for most off piste skiers it is about surfing the mountain, finding fun jumps to hit and making everything flow. SL radius skis would make most of what we would want to do nearly impossible. Your not going to turn like Sato with out something like that.... something that the best want nothing to with because it limits what they can do.






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Re: Carving Video 2011
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2011, 04:36:41 pm »

Gray, just curious, when you say "how square his hips stayed under him" what do you mean? In PMTS we are not looking for the hips to stay square, we are actually looking for the counteracting forces that occur when the hips rotate against the direction of the turn or the skis. Square hips usually results in rotation of the upper body into or with the turn versus against or countered against the turn.

i think he meant square to the hill. Not to the skis. why anyone would want to be square to the skis is beyond me.

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Re: Carving Video 2011
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2011, 04:50:26 pm »
not many people want to either.


SL radius skis would make most of what we would want to do nearly impossible. Your not going to turn like Sato with out something like that.... something that the best want nothing to with because it limits what they can do.

Now you are pointing out how great his skiing really is because he's not on SL skis. He's on skis with a wider TR and he has the ability to carve tight turns and tighten the radius of the skis. As well, I dare any skier even a very good skier to take slalom race skis into bumps and ski them the way he is skiing bumps. Most will get bucked right out of the run!

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Re: Carving Video 2011
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2011, 05:09:13 pm »
I ski a 180cm ski with a 16m turn radius as my bump ski. SL skis don't that kind of pounding for very long... they bend. Trust me.
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Re: Carving Video 2011
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2011, 07:45:04 pm »
Pay the professional camera crew, pay to get me on location, and pay my incidentals while I'm there... and, well, I'm there.

Or we could just Photoshop the video and colorize Sato's head orange then call it a day  ;D

greg is skiing better than the guy in white.

But the guy in white has a better agent!
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