to be fair I editted the video so that only when he was following was in the video..... plus one of the shots was him following me on my little(177cm 98mm) touring skis. and yes yellow jacket or POV.
BUshwhacker,
Glad you joined in on this conversation. Are you in yellow in that video? Who is skiing on the Icelantic Nomads? That's what I use as my Powder ski (the 181 SFT-same edition as in the video)-which aren't rockered and have 20m turn radius...Just saying, who ever was on them kept pace with you on the Thugs enough to keep you in the video.
Aside from that-I like that video and I think it's instructive...Exper t East coast powder tree skiing benefits from skis that do more than merely respond well to tipping. You're the missing voice in this conversation.
JBotti, I am sorry If I have been reading your comments wrong. My impression was (is) that
1. You feel rockered skis, early rise designs only benefit the extreme edge of big mountain free skiing and low level intermediates who twist every turn.
2. You also imply that Strong intermediates, aspiring experts and actual experts will not progress in their skiing, and in fact see their skills deteriorate (ala the reference to the skiers in the aforementioned K2 video) due to using these sort of skis.
3. That the growing prevalence of such designs is not based on efficacious enhancements of the general public's ski experience, but on marketing that preys upon the average skier's delusional aspirations to ski like ski **** stars (I believe you referenced Sage Cattabriga), when they ought to be pursuing a far more attainable, carving technical vision of expert skiing, like Harald (In fact, I think that is exactly how you concluded one post).
If I am wrong on any of these assumptions, I apologize, and please tell me and tell me how that's misreading your positions. If these are your (and Max's I ought to add) positions...well, I strenuously disagree with components of each one.
And, I will continue to strenuously disagree when such positions are posted on this forum. Consider me the loyal opposition if you will. And it's not personal, I, Like everyone who posts on this smaller, focused, intelligent forum am passionate about skiing and I enjoy the give and take discussions AND arguments surrounding the direction of ski technology and technique.
Liam
the deal is I love to tip, I race, I run gates, I love to carve groomers. Heck I wish I was more flexible so I could angulate even further.
I also like to focus on other skills set while skiing tree and like to use skis that let me do what I want, instead of a ski that dictates to me what wants to be done. If you want to call it brushed or whatever all I have to say is there are skis that make me feel as if I can not skis tree in at stowe. The pair of 173 Shaman was one of them. My 174 8.7 are another one, my SL and GS are some other ones. The same reason why I do not take my cross bike though rock gardens MTBing is the same reason why those skis stay on hard snow. There are days where I literally ski stuff in that video all day long top to bottom, it would be silly of me to skis a ski that would make it harder or any less fun.
also its simple physics bigger skis float more and lower speeds, for you overweight skier out there I reckon the thug has enough float for about 300 lb. I did some testing in the spring
yes I am wedging but I bet you would love to be wedging in that picture as well.
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