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Glenn

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Boots...finally?
« on: July 21, 2008, 06:14:38 am »
One of the hottest days of the year...and I'm romping around the local ski shop in ski boots. I love irony!  ;D

We went to the local ski shop to look at Mountain Bikes for my wife. That took all of about 10 minutes. We then start looking at ski gear. Well, one thing leads to another and I start trying on boots. I tried on a pair of Nordicas. Very comfy...but way soft! I mean, I felt like I was going to fall forward soft. These things felt like snowboard boots.

Next up, Salomon Impact 8's. Ahhh! Much better. The only issue on these was a slight pinch on both calfs where the tounge of the boot med the body of the boot. A 10 minute warm up on the boot heater helped stretch them out a bit. The pinch all but went away after that. I'd imagine after a day or two of skiing, theings would be pretty much normal.

So....They're on hold right now. The shop wants $381 for em. A quick search online shows that's not that bad of a price. Although, I'm going to see if I can get a better deal if we pull the trigger on the mt. bike at the same time.

They look this:

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Re: Boots...finally?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 09:30:56 am »
Glenn, put the sugar laden girlie coffee drink down for a moment!  :)

OK, I a simply addressing fit here not the specific boot.

Did you wear very thin ski socks when trying on?

Did you take the liner out and shell fit the boot?
a. with your toes just making contact with the front of the shell while standing up measure the space behind your heel. It should be no more than 3/4 preferably no more than 3/8".
b. next, slide your foot laterally in the boot. Do both sides of the foot make almost immediate contact or is there more than 1/4 of room? It should be snug side to side.
c. Put the boot on if it passed the above tests with your foot bed (take out the stock one). Wear around for 15-20 mins at a minimum. Only buckle the boot at the loosest possible settings to hold it in place. Don't crank it down.
d. Evaluate the fit at this point. The flex of that boot (which one is it?) is going to be soft. It?s friggin' summer out and I am sure it's at least 80 degrees in the shop. When it gets cold, that boot will feel about 30% stiffer.
e. In general, how?s the fit? If it's feeling pretty good, start to buckle down the boot.  The first buckle should basically be so that its tight enough not to fall off. It should not be more than the 1st bail.
f. The buckle on the top of the foot should also be on the 1st or maybe 2nd bail. It should not be clamped down, snug. that's it.
g. other buckles, if your like me, you always end up moving the buckle due to very narrow ankles and calves. Even with this, the buckles should be at the 1 or 2nd bail.
h. Wear around again for 10 more minutes. Re-evaluate, flex; stand in ski attack position. Have a tech check basic alignment. Feel for general fit. Should be solid snug fit everywhere, the ankle should only come out of the pocket slightly and you should be feeling of tightness like a firm handshake universally throughout the boot.
I. Check forward lean; take the stock spoilers off the back of the boot. You want to be as upright as possible so that your body/bones are stacked over each other from the shoulders, hips, knees, ankles and feet. This is skiing from a position of strength using the bones and strongest muscles to support and strengthen you. It has made the biggest difference to me next to a properly built and fitted foot bed.

If after all this you like, then have pro fitter further evaluate the fit. I am nto sure what kind of boot you are looking for but do some research and don't settle. I Impact 10 is a great boot, Head SX11 (what I wear) is plenty stiff; I don't even have them on the stiff setting. I prefer a laterally stiff boot and a moderate forward flex.

Let us know and good luck. Now back to your hazlenut madness.......

Glenn

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Re: Boots...finally?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 10:05:07 am »
The D&D intake was moderate this weekend. A Coolatta on Saturday, cofee, bagel dounut Sunday.  ;D

I tossed em' on with my regular socks just for ha-ha's. Once I liked the flex and feel, I borrowed a pair of SmartWool socks from the shop and gave those a shot. Much better IMHO. My toes barely touched the front of the boot when standing. When flexed, the backed right off. The boot was snug side to side; which is really good since I have a narrow foot. Overall, it had a nice snug feel. I'd say I had these things on for a good 45 minutes or so. So long, my wife took off and went walked down to Pier 1.  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 10:18:30 am »
Glenn, Evogear has them for 349.00

I would look at an impact 10 if that's in the budget. Also, Head s11- this is really a sweet boot. More freeride oriented of course unless you want more of Hard snow boot.

http://skiershop.com/itemdetails.cfm?id=582  you should be able to get them for less
« Last Edit: July 21, 2008, 10:22:06 am by Ron »

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Re: Boots...finally?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 03:58:10 pm »
Glenn
Ron's road map to boot fit was excellent.
Just to be sure; did you do a shell fit?? with no liner in???
Absolutely essential. ESPECIALLY if you have a narrow foot.

I have bought several boots without doing the shell fit (prior to my new and improved knowledge base!)
Result: Boots that packed out in 6-8 ski days. And my narrow foot was quickly swishing around in them.

Good luck with the search for boots.
Lynn
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2008, 06:36:15 am »
Thanks Lynn, most of the credit goes to Gary of course. I also learned a lot from Billy Kaplan, fitter extrodinaire (sp) Like you, and many others, we have all bought the wrong boots, almost always too long or too wide.

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2008, 10:02:03 am »
I think when I got back, I'll do a shell fit and a liner fit...just to be safe.

I'll also see if they have the impact 8 or 9...just for ha-ha's. And I'll look into the Heads as well. I just have to watch the price. I can probably work with these guys a bit...but I don't want to spend too much....

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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 12:24:50 pm »
Some great points brought up here...

To reiterate...shell fit...shell fit...shell fit. Do it in your bare feet if possible. When your foot is in the shell, stand and "feel" how much room is around the sides of your foot and the heel. Hot spots can be ground out but the fit for a level 5 and up is critical for improvement. I also like to make sure the point where the upper cuff and the lower part of the boot come together, "the hinge points" are at least on the same horizontal line or the medial side, (the inside ankle part) of the boot is a bit higher and not significantly lower than the other side. The boot where they are on the same horizontal line or the medial is higher is a better boot for straight line energy transmission to the boots edges (fire da laser beam) and the others I feel allows the heel to push out more easily.

Having said that, I like the Salomon and the Head boots a whole bunch.  Fit and alignment are key to getting the best energy transferred to the skis.

Glen, thinking if you spend tons of time in the air and in the park on jumps, you probably don't want a boot too stiff.

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G

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Re: Boots...finally?
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2008, 10:01:15 am »
That's kinda why I'm leaning towards the Impact 8. It seem that it'll be soft enough to play around in the park, but stiff enough to crank out some nice turns at speed.

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2008, 10:26:20 am »
It's a great boot, FWIW, the Head s11 is basically the same as the Mojo boot; which marketed as a park/freeride boot. You may want to look at the Mojo as well.

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 10:09:27 am »
Will do! I'm probably going to head back Friday.  ;D

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 11:11:34 am »
Excellent!  New gear to play with

FYI- I had my blue pants and red jacket on last evening..........

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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2008, 08:23:43 am »
Blue Pants and Red Jacket....Ok...we've gotta see this cause I'm having a hard time with the differnt shades paired up.

Now place all combinations of those pants somewhere flat, photo and post here.

We'll get the Clothing Committee to provide artistic evaluation.

Standing next to me in my jacket...criminy... we're starting to look like a handful of Skittles!

G

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2008, 09:11:46 am »
definitely doesn't match! That's the idea..... ;)? I am hoping we get "special" treatment on the mountain........ If you know what I mean,,,,, ::)
(think little bus)

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2008, 09:56:10 am »
Ok....Hmmm....I get the fashion statement....truly goes along with our personalities...

Still, I think we need to get an advance showing... :P

G