Nordica Foam Liners: Review

[midwif]

JB
Good to hear boots can go that many days. Phew!! Saving money AND discomfort of breaking them in!

Phil
I have been pretty unhappy with my previous boots and beds and fittings. My ankles and feet were soon swishing around in my previous Langes and Technicas. While getting my current boot off after skiing can be a challenge at seasons'beginning, it is not a problem after a couple of weeks.

It will be interesting to see what new technological advances in boot design have occurred in the next season or two. And to see if you and Ron are still feeling like the three buckle boot design is still the way to go.

Happy New Year to ALL!!
I am hoping for a midnight birth.
 ;DLynn

[Philpug]

I think it comes down to a matter of presonal preference and also has alot to with feet size and width. Pretty much the only boots that will be tight enough on my feet are race boots. Having said that there are ways to ski a race boot that can give you the forgiveness that most want and need off piste and still have the lateral quickness of a race boot. I use the booster strap and then leave my top buckle quite loose. Thiis gives me huge fore aft flex even in a stiff boot, but again I still have the awesome lateral quickness from a thin last race boot. For me this is the perfect set up, because I can go right to groomed terrain and then tighten the top buckle and rail some carved turns. Withe these new linesr the only thing that I give up vs. a more comfort oriented boot is on/off ease. As far as comfort while I'm in the boot, these are the most comfortable boots I have ever owned and that includes 100mm last boots that I was in years ago.

Now if someone has a foot that is 103mm wide, it's a whole different ballgame!!

Lynn, I know many people that get 200 or more days out of their boot shells. If they aren't cracking and disintegrating, you probably can get at least a few more seasons out of them.

I have a low volume 97mm wide forefoot (unweighted). The beauty of the ID liner is how it fills up the volume of the shell in relationship to the foot. If these work for you, awesome, you are the exception to the rule that a race prepped boot is fine for every day skiing.

JB
Good to hear boots can go that many days. Phew!! Saving money AND discomfort of breaking them in!

Phil
I have been pretty unhappy with my previous boots and beds and fittings. My ankles and feet were soon swishing around in my previous Langes and Technicas. While getting my current boot off after skiing can be a challenge at seasons'beginning, it is not a problem after a couple of weeks.

It will be interesting to see what new technological advances in boot design have occurred in the next season or two. And to see if you and Ron are still feeling like the three buckle boot design is still the way to go.

Happy New Year to ALL!!
I am hoping for a midnight birth.
 ;DLynn

Lynn, I would be happy to set you up with a set of Kryptons w/ Intuition liners at cost. I truly believe that you will get significantly more skiing enjoyment out of them vs. the torture devices you are in. If you don't like them, I would happily refund your money. As far as if the three buckle shell will still be working for me next year..I am not sure, I have only been on them for 25 years....I think I am real close to deciding if I like them or not

[jbotti]

Phil, I know many people that ski in race boots everyday and would never go to anything else. I am definitely not the exception to the rule. In fact a large number of PSIA instructors that I know ski in 150 flex boots while they teach. I really do think it comes down to preference. Now that I have mine dialed in, I wouldn't go in a different direction. It is great that both of us have found boots that really work for us.

Happy New Year!!

[Philpug]

Phil, I know many people that ski in race boots everyday and would never go to anything else. I am definitely not the exception to the rule. In fact a large number of PSIA instructors that I know ski in 150 flex boots while they teach. I really do think it comes down to preference. Now that I have mine dialed in, I wouldn't go in a different direction. It is great that both of us have found boots that really work for us.

Happy New Year!!

I also know a lot of PSIA instructors that use them, I also know a lot that teach in 145cm rental skis too... You point?

Wait..wait...back up... you know PSIA instructors?? Are you allowed? 

[jim-ratliff]

.........? ? Your point?

Wait..wait...back up... you know PSIA instructors?? Are you allowed??

  He's allowed as long as you don't turn him in.  Harald has a $100 bounty on those that are not truly pure of heart. 

John was obviously going the extra mile trying to relate to you.? If he had said that he knew several HH instructors that skied in stiff/race boots he knew that you wouldn't relate to that as much as PSIA instructors.   

By the way, I once owned a pair of Dale Boots with VFF (spring controlled variable forward flex) for a couple of years, three buckle design!!? But I don't know what my point is either --? I just felt like getting my first post of 2009 out of the way.

 

[jbotti]

I have said this before and I will say it again but this may be the last time. Yes, Harald Harb is my teacher and a dear friend. The bulk of what he says and teaches makes immense sense to me and I relate well to it. I am convinced that I would not be the skier I am today (which is not to imply any level approcahing greatness) without his instruction and the instruction of my dear friend Thor Kallerud who was the head coach of the US Ski team. Some of my best freinds in the ski world are PSIA instructors and I love to ski with them and two in particular are much better skiers than I will ever be. I am not interested in carrying on the battle in any way on this forum. I think I have made that clear. I have gone out of my way to make this clear and I have consistently avoided any confrontation on the PMTS/PSIA issue. Phil. I even invited you and your wife to come ski with me at my home mountain in Montana. In reality I can't do much more!!

Now as for what I do on the PMTS forum, this is a diffrent story. I will contrinue to defend keeping that forum as a place where PMTS is discussed and learned and I continue to believe that people should post there for that reason and no other one.

So everyone can accpet me for the perosn that I am, Yes I am a true believer in PMTS and a friend of Harald Harb but I don't spend my life trying to convince anyone that it is the holy grail anywhere but on the PMTS forum.

So it's a New Year!! Maybe we can all make some new friends let the past go!!

[Philpug]

Daleboots (one word) were probably some of the least efficient boots I have ever skied and them having three buckles is purely coincidental and not related to this discussion . Actually Mel has done some of the best work in custom boot fitting and design work.

I don't think HH would ever pay the $100.00 bounty to me so JB's dirty secret is safe here. Plus, since I have been here, Gary bought 90mm waisted skis, JB is hanging with PSIA Instructors..I am still Haralds worst nightmare.

[Philpug]

I have said this before and I will say it again but this may be the last time. Yes, Haral;d Harb is my teacher and a dear friend. The bulk of what he says and teaches makes immense sense to me and I relate well to it. I am convinced that I would not be the skier I am today (which is not to imply any level approcahing greatness) without his instruction and the instruction of my dear friend Thor Kallerud who was the head coach of the US Ski team. Some of my best freinds in the ski world are PSIA instructors and I love to ski with them and two in particular are much better skiers than I will ever be. I am not interested in carrying on the battle in any way on this forum. I think I have made that clear. I have gone out of my way to make this clear and I have consistently avoided any confrontation on the PMTS/PSIA issue. Phil. I even invited you and your wife to come ski with me at my home mountain in Montana. In reality I can't do much more!!

Now as for what I do on the PMTS forum, this is a diffrent story. I will contrinue to defend keeping that forum as a place where PMTS is discussed and learned and I continue to beleive that people should post there for that reason and no other one.

So everyone can accpet me for the perosn that I am, Yes I am a true believer in PMTS and a friend of Harald Harb but I don't spend my life trying to convince anyone that it is the holy grail anywhere but on the PMTS forum.

So it's a New Year!! Maybe we can all make some new friends let the past go!!

JB,

I appreciate your candor. I kid because I love. Seriously, ask Jim, Gary or Lynn about our conversations from the Boat. I am all for what Harald has done with his TM and I really feel, if you found something that works for for you, by all means stick with it. When we do get to ski together and I truly hope that we do..I am very confident that we will agree much more than we disagree on all skiing topics including Harald. Cheers!

[SnowHot]

JB...Phil brings up a point I was going to follow up with...


With all the talk about the Intuition liners lately, moldable, they adjust to your feet throughout their use, can be remolded, easy of ingress and egress...and $180 or so....seems like a great application.

I actually have tried them on and they are very light and can be custom fit to ones foot.

Did you ever consider this liner?

G

I've had three pair of boots with intuition liners.  I am currently skiing in the Krypton Kryzma with the gold liner. 
I talked to my boot fitter about getting a foam moldable, which he does, but his thought was that I should enjoy the intuition liner because it is a custom fit which will do all I want and more.

The Kryzma has a taller cuff height and is set up much stiffer than my storms.
Both boots are snug as can be.  Intuition may not be for everyone, but they've treated me well!

[jbotti]

Phil, I look forward to skiing with you!! I know we will have fun!!

[Philpug]

Phil, I look forward to skiing with you!! I know we will have fun!!

Yes we will. 

[gregmerz]

Lynn, I would be happy to set you up with a set of Kryptons w/ Intuition liners at cost. I truly believe that you will get significantly more skiing enjoyment out of them vs. the torture devices you are in. If you don't like them, I would happily refund your money. As far as if the three buckle shell will still be working for me next year..I am not sure, I have only been on them for 25 years....I think I am real close to deciding if I like them or not

Wonderful offer.? If they made em in my size I'd be all over it...?

[midwif]

Phil
A kind and generous offer.
Maybe next year???
You know, still got that kid in college.
 

[Philpug]

Phil
A kind and generous offer.
Maybe next year???
You know, still got that kid in college.
 

The question is...can you afford not to get them

[midwif]

Well Phil
At my advanced age, I may not need any more boots.
Lynn