Waxing....to scrape or not to scrape?

[Gary]

I have taken a break from the treachery of my office and I walk into a den of treachery....

Ah yes....back with my peeps...

Ok, my thoughts on brushing...the scraping does just that, it scrapes off the excess wax...the magic is the brushing....the brushing forces wax into the bases...the more brushing and waxing the better the base hold up all day and during multiple use. Skis 2 and 3 years old can have nice shiny bottoms...and if you do the top skins with a nice fiberglass boat wax....you be popn' on the slopes!

Them babies will really shine and be your go fast best buddies. Brush away you should....you'll reap the benefits.

Now....Svend...the more espresso I drink...the better the brushing.

Now about my bottoms....there is some white on my SS and to soil that with smduged black molysomething wax...is sinful....Ok...it may work well but the price...for me....dirty bottoms....no no no...

Now I must add if I put a paste wax or a soft rub on wax  after skiing followed by a vigorous brushing before hitting the slopes the next day....they be gliding sweet. I also added a product called Zardox to my tool kit. It's a liquid silicone or teflon, I forget but it's very viscous, stays on well and very easy to use.

There.....now there's nothing nicer than a pretty bottom! 
G

[Svend]

...the more espresso I drink...the better the brushing

And here I thought you were a teetotaler... ? I heard stories about dangerous things happening to you and those nearby if you had even a single espresso! No way I'm bringing my Bialetti near you when we ski together!

But everything you and Ron say about scraping and brushing makes sense.? Must be my Germanic mechanical background, but sometimes I need a physics lesson to understand why I'm doing something.? Thanks for the input....I learned a couple of more things in the past few days....gotta love this forum! For the curious mind, it's brilliant!

[Philpug]

I have taken a break from the treachery of my office and I walk into a den of treachery....

Ah yes....back with my peeps...

Ok, my thoughts on brushing...the scraping does just that, it scrapes off the excess wax...the magic is the brushing....the brushing forces wax into the bases...the more brushing and waxing the better the base hold up all day and during multiple use. Skis 2 and 3 years old can have nice shiny bottoms...and if you do the top skins with a nice fiberglass boat wax....you be popn' on the slopes!

Them babies will really shine and be your go fast best buddies. Brush away you should....you'll reap the benefits.

Now....Svend...the more espresso I drink...the better the brushing.

Now about my bottoms....there is some white on my SS and to soil that with smduged black molysomething wax...is sinful....Ok...it may work well but the price...for me....dirty bottoms....no no no...

Now I must add if I put a paste wax or a soft rub on wax? after skiing followed by a vigorous brushing before hitting the slopes the next day....they be gliding sweet. I also added a product called Zardox to my tool kit. It's a liquid silicone or teflon, I forget but it's very viscous, stays on well and very easy to use.

There.....now there's nothing nicer than a pretty bottom!?
G

Slow down here cowboy...skis can last 2 to 3 years? Surely No one told Ron, I think he thought it was 2 to 3 weeks.

I have a whole tub of Zardox, a customer of mine gave it to me. He actually worked on the formula when he was at DuPont.

[midwif]

And the point of telling us about your tub?
Planning to share?
 

[jim-ratliff]

Maybe y'all are referring to something different, but when I tried to Google Zardox what I found was Zardoz? ? .

[Ron]

it's "X", not "Z", picky picky.....


Ski's just don't last that long, everyone knows that......... 

Comeon now, my only new skis are the ss mags', the Icelantics are both last seasons! I recently learned that Icelantic corporate sold out of the magnums so it's only dealer stock out there, it could be a tough end of the season for deals......

[Gary]

Yes Phil, he who rides a stallion but few times and sends it on to other cowboy rodeos nationally....yes.. ..the real cowboys make the time to look that pony breed underfoot and make that cowboy connection.....with some of you....it's just one quick ride then off to pasture they go!

Jessh.....where's the bond, the Hi ho Silver, ........

I ride em hard, put em away waxed....and do again and again and again....Yep....not hn' better than being in a familar saddle!

Thank goodness my boot sole allows me to try out Phil and Rons wild ponies!

Now Phil....score me a few tubs of that Zardox if ya gotta any spares.

Best to all,
Gary

[midwif]

Yes Phil, he who rides a stallion but few times and sends it on to other cowboy rodeos nationally....yes.. ..the real cowboys make the time to look that pony breed underfoot and make that cowboy connection.....with some of you....it's just one quick ride then off to pasture they go!

Jessh.....where's the bond, the Hi ho Silver, ........

I ride em hard, put em away waxed....and do again and again and again....Yep....not hn' better than being in a familar saddle!
Best to all,
Gary

Someone has been watching Brokeback Mountain too many times.
 

[Svend]

ROTFL!!!! Brokeback Mtn.....Too funny, Lynn! But kinda scary too....   (Send me an email if you want to know why.....)

Ron, did you know that Goretex was also a very durable material? Almost as durable as skis.  Just ask Gary.  I hear his orange one-piece is still going strong.

[Gary]

well....I guess if you're a Brokeback fan....hey...if that's the way things slide....Zardox could be......no....I'm not going there!

Now Svend.....a one piece orange ski suit....compliments of the NY State Correctional Dept....nope, can't say I've spent anytime there nor do I want to.....Skiing is not a health activity on their program....

Have a great weekend all.....and may your slippery side dance and glide!

Gary

[SnowHot]

I have taken a break from the treachery of my office and I walk into a den of treachery....

Ah yes....back with my peeps...

Ok, my thoughts on brushing...the scraping does just that, it scrapes off the excess wax...the magic is the brushing....the brushing forces wax into the bases...the more brushing and waxing the better the base hold up all day and during multiple use. Skis 2 and 3 years old can have nice shiny bottoms...and if you do the top skins with a nice fiberglass boat wax....you be popn' on the slopes!

Them babies will really shine and be your go fast best buddies. Brush away you should....you'll reap the benefits.

Now....Svend...the more espresso I drink...the better the brushing.

Now about my bottoms....there is some white on my SS and to soil that with smduged black molysomething wax...is sinful....Ok...it may work well but the price...for me....dirty bottoms....no no no...

Now I must add if I put a paste wax or a soft rub on wax? after skiing followed by a vigorous brushing before hitting the slopes the next day....they be gliding sweet. I also added a product called Zardox to my tool kit. It's a liquid silicone or teflon, I forget but it's very viscous, stays on well and very easy to use.

There.....now there's nothing nicer than a pretty bottom!?
G

Slow down here cowboy...skis can last 2 to 3 years? Surely No one told Ron, I think he thought it was 2 to 3 weeks.

I have a whole tub of Zardox, a customer of mine gave it to me. He actually worked on the formula when he was at DuPont.

You know my address.
I promise to apply it to the pony that's staying in the stable.

[Philpug]

Yes Phil, he who rides a stallion but few times and sends it on to other cowboy rodeos nationally....yes.. ..the real cowboys make the time to look that pony breed underfoot and make that cowboy connection.....with some of you....it's just one quick ride then off to pasture they go!

Jessh.....where's the bond, the Hi ho Silver, ........

I ride em hard, put em away waxed....and do again and again and again....Yep....not hn' better than being in a familar saddle!

Thank goodness my boot sole allows me to try out Phil and Rons wild ponies!

Now Phil....score me a few tubs of that Zardox if ya gotta any spares.

Best to all,
Gary

The Zardox I have is in sample packs, i will bring some to Jackson for you.

I don't fall in love with skis, I fall in lust..and lust is fleeting.

[Gary]

Thanks Phil....your lust is our pleasure.....since ROn and I can click into your skis...we get the benefits too!

bring samples....they work just fine.

AND SnowHot.....Not touching that pony and stable line....

Best,
G

[Svend]

Back to tuning for a moment (sorry to divert you guys from lustful dreams of stables and ponies...I'm not going there either).

Here's my tuning regimen for your scrutiny and constructive input:

1) File base and side bevels to 1 & 2 degrees, respectively -- this is a one-time thing to get rid of the factory tune (which, in our case was 0.5 & 3, I think)
2) Maintain the edges with a ceramic wet stone, as needed, medium grit followed by fine grit, (just a light touch up to renew the edge - no major filing or metal removal)
3) Detune tips and tails with gummi (just a few inches)
4) Base repair with candle, as needed; scrape with steel scraper, sand flat (lightly)
5) Brush with brass to clean bases and remove old wax (no base cleaner spray used, except for repair spots); wipe clean
6) Hot wax; let cool 15 min.; scrape (2 to 3 passes)
7) Brush with nylon; wipe clean
8 ) Have a barley sandwich, congratulate self on another job well done....

Tools used:? Holmenkol vise; KUU Ice Buster side bevel tool, 88 deg.; Toko base bevel tool, 1 deg.; KUU Iron Maiden waxing iron; metal files; ceramic wet stones; abrasive gummi; and the usual brushes and scrapers.? Just bought a cork pad for traveling too.

My only questions at the moment are about burr removal and base repair:

-- What works best for burr removal? The gummi? Ceramic wet stone? Metal file? Or should I buy a diamond stone?
-- Are the base repair sticks (flat sticks, soldering iron) better than the candles? I've had mixed success with the candles -- deeper gouges are OK, but shallow scrapes don't seem to last, or just get pulled back off with the steel scraper.? I've never used the sticks -- does anyone have experience with these?

Anyway, feel free to comment and add suggestions.

[Ron]

Sven, great job. I usually let the ski's cool at least a couple hours before scraping. you want the wax as well as the bases to fully cool down.