Maybe Lifting and Tipping is not a beginner move!!

[jbotti]

I post this only because we have been talking some about lifting and tipping and SRT's in powder and steeps. This is a great video. All these skiers are on long staright skis, and all they are doing is lifting and tipping in powder. At the end of the video there is one skier using SRT's with a lift and tip approcah in deep powder on steep terrain. He is also using a deep flex move. His skiing is excellent. This is clearly a very solid approach in difficult terrain. Clearly Harld Harb did not teach this to them. It doesn't matter where you get it, this approach works.

Enjoy the video, it's fun!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPRy4ClCZVo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

[Gary]

Brilliant J.....loved it....awesome snow. A terrific video...(especially the leader) of independent foot work and edge managment.  Also, very effective and outstanding example of the pole touch and pole touch timing. On the steeps, great example of upper body lower body separation....terri fic skier!

AND the snow....Wanna be there!

Best,
G

[Ron]

cool, no doubt good skiing but not sure of the need to keep lifting the foot so much, not needed. Also, certainly nothing steep here by any means. I would say he coudl be much more forward and fluent, the guy skis way too stiff. There's no fluency to his skiing.

[jbotti]

Did you see his skiing at the end of the video? He doesn't look stiff to me. And the terrain looks pretty steep.

[Gary]

Hey Ron...I thought the guy looked pretty fluid especially on the steeps and deep powder..I think his stance might be a product of the ski he's on. Todays skis are more shovel oriented for turn initiation.

Still...I think the ability to lift a ski illustrates the ability to release and commit. The point that he is lifting quite vigoriously may not be as necessary, the reality is that the use of lightening the ski is an effective way to release the edge and commit to the next turn.

G

[Ron]

yeah, lightening for sure to some extent maybe its the skis I rewatched the vid at the end. I would call that a steeper blue run, maybe black at best. I also noticed he's definitely not forward so my bet is the skinny skis are the issue. Needs to stay beack to get them from tip diving. As I said, it's good skiing, what year is that from, late 80's or early 90's?

[jbotti]

Let's also remember that depth and steepness does not translate well on video. I have seen video taken on 45 degree double black terran with huge bumps and it looks like dark blue terrain with small bumps on the video. I have no idea when this video is from.

[jbotti]

It appears that the video is from 1985. Not much rocker on those skis!!

[Ron]

Now that's the truth!

John, 45 degrees with bumps? 45 degrees, the snow won't really hold well enough to form bumps....

[jbotti]

The big bump run at loveland is maybe 40 degrees. It's exteremely bumped up with Volkswagon sized bumps and it's very steep. This is where we shot video and it looks like easy terrain on the Video.

[Ron]

gotcha, vid never captures it.  It can get chewed up and rutted...