Author Topic: Skiing Aspen & Clendenin Clinic (Read 693 times)

midwif · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2009, 04:52:31 pm »

Gary

Do you offer your ski referral services gratis?? or is there a small fee?

Lynn

Gary · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2009, 08:50:40 am »

Lynn.....for bringing this size group in and co-ordinating the event, I did get a discounted rate for my efforts.....that should cover my time andlong distance phone calls. But.....

I really didn't do it for that truly...Alice and I planned on attending orignaly as a private and I thought because of the great benefits we have garnered from Clendenins ski methods....people with the passion like yourself to improve...had to be aware. So, when John offered such a great rate for any I could interest in joining,...well the rest is history.

Can't wait to be together with all....

gary

midwif · « **Reply #17 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:49:25 am »

Gary
sorry I wasn't clear.

I was referring to you being the go-to guide for which skis to bring!!

If you get a discount from JC. you should.

jim-ratliff · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:01:17 pm »

My bad Gary.?

? I was wondering why you seemed to have skippped over the fishing expedition for ski advice from Perry and me???

--rephrased--
Gary, I would be glad to buy you half a beer (sippy cup optional) for your advice on which skis (narrower or wider, longer or shorter) would most facilitate my learning the Clendenin method.? ?

? I am also pretty sure that Perry would be willing to share one of the 6 olives that he invariably requests be part of his martiini's.

And I agree with Lynn (I fear the consequences of not agreeing, of course); if you get a discount from JC regarding camp, you should.?

And Perry, let Gloria know that there's more to skiing than just the Clendenin clinic.? ? Some of us would be glad to just ski with the two of you.

Ron · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:27:44 pm »

I think we need to look into why gary is still paying for long distance calls?

Gary · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:30:18 pm »

Thanks Lynn....

Now bring you bump skis!! WIDE or SKINNY either will do with his methiod!

Sorry Jim...I missed the post..OK here goes...

Assumming we get to ski soft bumps in broken snow, your shorter skis with waist widths 70-90mm would be easy and great fun. Lengths...chin to between the eye high would be great.. Narrower waisted skis for men require more finesse soft edging...woman..... they have no problem.

In Chle' I performed the slow 2 footed drills with both a 72 waisted ski 160 in length and on 90mm waisted twin tips 169 in length and I'm 5'8".....his methods are that adaptable.

What I would say is bring the skis to school that you are the most confident on.

Please I prefer my spanish olives with the pimetnos in them!?

Gary

LivingProof · « **Reply #21 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:29:07 am »

Quote from: Gary on December 03, 2009, 02:30:18 pm

Assumming we get to ski soft bumps in broken snow, your shorter skis with waist widths 70-90mm would be easy and great fun. Lengths...chin to between the eye high would be great.. Narrower waisted skis for men require more finesse soft edging...woman..... they have no problem.

What I would say is bring the skis to school that you are the most confident on.
Gary

G et al,
I concur very much with the "most confident" skis, albeit, longer, wider skis are, by their design, weight and turn radius, more difficult to turn at low, bump style skiing. Were I to be in John's clinic, I'd bring my short, narrow waist carving skis like a Supershape. Not saying a wider ski can't work, just thinking that shorter is easier to learn.

I'm making a presumption here, but, the Clendenin "tipping" turn is very, very close to Harb's "brushed"one or two foot release drills. Low edge angle, very centered body position where the intent is to let the shape of the ski make the turn with minimal upperbody movement. Not at all an edge lock carved turn, or at least that's what's in the video. So If your ski works in a Harb camp, it should work in Aspen.

But if your everday ski is wider, like Phil and Ron ski daily, then, that works. And when you get dumped on with all the great pow scheduled that week, forget about everthing above.

Ron · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2009, 11:40:00 am »

Quote from: LivingProof on December 04, 2009, 09:29:07 am

Quote from: Gary on December 03, 2009, 02:30:18 pm

Assumming we get to ski soft bumps in broken snow, your shorter skis with waist widths 70-90mm would be easy and great fun. Lengths...chin to between the eye high would be great.. Narrower waisted skis for men require more finesse soft edging...woman..... they have no problem.

What I would say is bring the skis to school that you are the most confident on.
Gary

But if your everday ski is wider, like Phil and Ron ski daily, then, that works. And when you get dumped on with all the great pow scheduled that week, forget about everthing above.

Comment # 1- my every day 90- not very wide -the ski has a radius of 18m- its the pilgrim
Comment #2- Yes, powder rules apply!? F' the clinic and free ski!? ?

Gary · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2009, 01:43:16 pm »

Mike, using Johns method whether your on long or short skis, doesn't matter. The reason is because there's no hard carving. As long as the skis are NOT race vertified stiff. It's what's underfoot, under the boot that helps makes things easier.

Last year in JH I skied with John on my SS....with their narrow 66 underfoot, drifting and soft edging can be a bit twitchy cause the sidecut wants the skis to turn. It's doable but the pilot has to be more soft footed. Once you find you can shape turns with out hard edges, it won't matter what ski width or length you're on.

I played in the bumps with my twin tips, 90 underfoot and using CSM drifting and soft edges, it was a blast ans speed managemnet was a breeze.

Hope that helps,
G

Perry · « **Reply #24 on:** December 08, 2009, 10:52:14 am »

It's finally dumping out west.........10'' so far today at Aspen. So the magnums are definitely getting the nod over the RX8 at this point.

Ron · « **Reply #25 on:** December 08, 2009, 12:00:59 pm »

Perry, that's end of January you're talking about, right? Nothing in in the upper 70's or low 80's? Do you ever skii off-piste? just curious. Loved my 90's underfoot on huge nasty jagged bumps this weekend.

LivingProof · « **Reply #26 on:** December 08, 2009, 01:41:14 pm »

Just curious, but, what ski does Clendenin use? Memory tells me that he's a Head Ski rep or has some relationship with Head.

hozel · « **Reply #27 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:00:50 pm »

The last couple of years John has been on the Head 78's in a 165cm.

Perry · « **Reply #28 on:** December 08, 2009, 04:47:57 pm »

Ron - fair question, and yes I ski off piste. I have had three problems getting into wider skis.

1) as one who benefited greatly from HH, perhaps I had too many gulps of the narrow ski kool-aid
We ski in the snow; not on the snow

2) as a mostly EC skier, harder to justify anything with more float than the Magnum @177
3)My wife can't yet conceptualize the need for a separate pair of skis just to travel out west with.

My plan -
Sell my K2 5500 escape, Head IM75 and perhaps my RX 8 (although these really are fun) and buy some wide boards online

Ron · « **Reply #29 on:** December 09, 2009, 09:43:31 am »

no worries, just wondering, BTW- even with 122 underfoot and a 20/40 rocker, I ski in the snow as well, this is a common misperception of how wider skis actually work. They just don't dive down and require less effort - less torque on the knees and body but the picture on the left is me on 111 underfoot. Obviously, I am not on top of the snow. It's a more quiet and relaxing way to ski. They actaully allow you to ski on terrain that is not as steep (known as low angle pow) so when there's a lot of stuff untouched, you can get in at it. As always, you should ski on what you prefer. FWIW- I will be skiing on 84 underfoot after Christmas if there's no pow. Right tools for the right terrain. This is not the forum for such discussions so no worries. Enjoy!

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