Moving up to Lange RX 130 pro- thanks Phil!

[Ron]

hmm, why not approved? There's nothing possibly bad about that boot other than that he doesn't sell it? very close to the Scorpion but more upright. But to answer the question mike, I tried on a Lange 100 here at a local shop and knew right off the 26.5 was perfect and the basics of the shell are identical. But you are correct, you buy from Phil, you know you are safe. He knows me and his products so its really an easy decision. I am still amazed how great the boot performs. It realy and truly made me a better skier.

[ToddW]

Update.? Last July in response to the question about whether the new Lange race boots were still rotary,? HH responded

non rotary boots:

Lange
Head Raptor
Dalbello (new race)
Nordica
Fischer (hard to set up)
Rossignol

[ToddW]

skied the rx 2 days on everything from 4 inches fresh, groomed soft, piled dense stuff and soft bumps. I love these boots. I have to say that I was totally wrong about the stiffness factor. Although these are 130's they have a very smooth even flex. I love how much energy they create. small movements get big results. Much less effort,? The upright position of the boot is great. Much less wear on the legs and its easier to work the ski as well. I actually skied them with no work done to them, very comfortable.? Warm too.? Call dr. phil today!?

Ron,

Congratulations on finding a pair of boots that suits you so well ... even if the Devil of Dumont doesn't disapprove of them as rotary? ? It's a special feeling to ski when you're wearing magic boots.? (I found my magic boots in November and still have a silly grin on my face.)

[Ron]

yup agreed, frankly who cares right? its probably the hottest boot on the market right now and that's not because of the graphics.

[midwif]

hmm, why not approved? There's nothing possibly bad about that boot other than that he doesn't sell it? very close to the Scorpion but more upright. But to answer the question mike, I tried on a Lange 100 here at a local shop and knew right off the 26.5 was perfect and the basics of the shell are identical. But you are correct, you buy from Phil, you know you are safe. He knows me and his products so its really an easy decision. I am still amazed how great the boot performs. It realy and truly made me a better skier.

HH only sells boots that he thinks further better skiing. He has an eye that is pretty incredible. You haven't experienced it, but I have. He can tell you what you did on which turn with which foot that worked and what didn't.

HH sells a variety of brands, but only certain models within that brand. Those models that keep you knee straight as you flex the boot forward and are laterally stiff to allow more accurate response to tipping from the skier, make the cut.

Lange has some models that make the cut. That's all.

The folks at the shop are amazingly honest at working with the boot you have if you can't afford a better boot.
When I asked Diana if she thought I should get newer boots after 5 seasons, she looked at them closely and thought for a moment and told me I had 2 more seasons left
Absolutely no hard sell EVER!

Glad you have Phil who knows his stuff.

But the "Devil in Dumont" is pretty fantastic.

Kind of interesting....I found a love letter to HH in the bottom of my footbed of my new Nordicas.
I don't know how it got there.

L.

[Philpug]

Paging Dr Phil and Snow Hot,
Looking for your reviews of your new boots now that you have been on skis for several days. I'm assuming Trish made the transition from Dalbello, but, not sure. It's still hard to believe that Flexon Phil has transitioned.

I haven't posted a review, sorry. I will let TC post her own findings but I think she will be staying in her Kryptons for the time being.

[Philpug]

Kind of interesting....I found a love letter to HH in the bottom of my footbed of my new Nordicas.
I don't know how it got there.

L.

Hmmmmm. 

[jim-ratliff]

Kind of interesting....I found a love letter to HH in the bottom of my footbed of my new Nordicas.
I don't know how it got there.
L.

Are you willing (and able) to back up that assertion with some proof (such as a picture)??
I'm sure inquiring minds want to know, and probably me saying I've seen said note isn't admissible since I may not be an unbiased witness??   

[Ron]

errr, repeat after me:  Errra, I have no recollection of such events nor would I ever condone any behavior that was not proper....... 


OK, back to the topic, Mid, I am very happy for anyone who gets properly fitted regardless of who does the fitting.

[LivingProof]

Update.? Last July in response to the question about whether the new Lange race boots were still rotary,? HH responded

non rotary boots:

Lange
Head Raptor
Dalbello (new race)
Nordica
Fischer (hard to set up)
Rossignol

Todd,
Good find. I?m reaching, but, memory tells me HH?s major issue with Lange was excessive forward lean as he prefers a more upright boot to support a relaxed upper body.

Devil that I am, just having some fun with Ron?s findings that skiing in a boot more in line with HH thinking has improved his skiing. Perhaps also a little payback for a Mangy Moose session when cough Ron cough was sitting next to Flexon Phil and ranting words to the effect ? No way I?m skiing some stiff 130 flex and getting punished jibing around or doing small cliffs?. LP was on the butt end of that discussion. Ron, if I?m taking some of the polish off your new acquisition, I apologize.

And when I fall in love with a fat ski, I expect full payback.

There?s a world of really good skiers who love Dalbello. I?m not going to play in that war, we?re all just one data point. Still, I?m interested in the experiences of Phil and Trish. If I were a betting person, I?m thinking Phil misses Dalbello. We?ll see.

[Ron]

Mike, no worries, you are correct, but please remember a "130" is a relative rating. In no way is the Lange 130 a uber stiff boot. It's much stiffer than my Il moro's which were pretty soft and I do really like and freely admit the stiffer Lange is so much better and easier to ski in. Gotta' call them the way you see em' right? So, Yes, the stiffer boot that is WAY upright, remember we're talking 12 degrees with a 4 degree Zeppa is just awesome. You really cant get more than a couple degrees more upright and at that point I think it's going to be a bad thing.  Regardless of your politics or loyalties, this is an awesome boot and I love it. It doesn't matter who likes what, its what works best for you and your skiing.

[midwif]

Kind of interesting....I found a love letter to HH in the bottom of my footbed of my new Nordicas.
I don't know how it got there.

L.

Hmmmmm.?

Kind of interesting....I found a love letter to HH in the bottom of my footbed of my new Nordicas.
I don't know how it got there.
L.

Are you willing (and able) to back up that assertion with some proof (such as a picture)??
I'm sure inquiring minds want to know, and probably me saying I've seen said note isn't admissible since I may not be an unbiased witness??   

Why yes, I do have proof! Just tell me how to transfer the pic and it will be done!

[Ron]

we all know anything can be "shopped" now.... this does not constitute proof  (I am on paid retainer by Phil...)   

[jbotti]

The issue with some Langes and some tecnicas is the have way too much forward lean. When the forwrad lean is too much the skier is plastered to the front cuff of the boot. Immediately people say, what's wrong with that, isn't that how you want to ski. The anaswer is yes but only if you can move back and forth away from the cuff. With too much FL, the weight is always on the ball of the foot. What this promotes is sliding the tails versus tipping the skis laterally because it is very hard to do plastered to the front of the boot.

When I was out in Colo in November an old friend came with me. He is a PSIA instructor and he has been in the same model Langes for the past 10 years. They have way too much forward lean. Harald told him the boots were a prolem and he didn't believe him. By the second day he started to understand why they were a problem. On the third day he bought new boots from Harald. As we watched him ski in the Langes it was completely obvious what Harald was talking about. Tipping laterally without first sliding the skis some was nearly impossible for him.

Now two biig caveats. Not everyne attempts or wants to ski using tipping and lateral movements. Any many skiers have no desire to ski any other way. They may prefer the forward lean because sliding is easier because the weight is off the taiils all the time. The other caveat is that some people with very long legs (like me) need a lot of forward lean just to get balanced ane centered over the ski.


It' fairly clear that the new Lange RX has less forward lean than the old langes. Glad you love them Ron.

[midwif]

Well Ron,
Anyone who knows me and my computer skills will tell you
I barely know how to turn the darn thing on, never mind photo shopping!
Now, if my daughter were around, NO PROBLEMO! She's quite good with that. Took a class.
But she's in Prague this semester.

Picture coming. With Phil's handwriting.