Section 8 Ski school?

[jbotti]

Specificty of movements! Sure he handles terrain well. As Mdwf just said what we are trying to do is MA and learn from what we see and what others see. As everyone knows I am trying to be very specific with my movements and with my fore aft balance when I ski and this is because I wantt to ski a certain way, one that I beleive will allow me to ski at my highest possible level.

In bumps I agree that this the one place that you can get aft as long as it is in the right part of the arc. If you are back and you hit a new bump it automatically slows you down and moves your balance back forward. The place in the bunps where I want to be forward is right at the transition point because I want to be able to tip at my highest possible level and I want to be able to pressure my tips into the next undulation and I cn do neither from a more aft position. My main point on the skiers bumps skiing was that it was pivot based rather than tipping based. Both are ways to get down a bump run and he uses the pivot approach well.

Where I do think his for aft balance is problematic for him is in his carving where he is not tightening the arc by bending the skis at the tips and this is because he is not far enough forward.

[Liam]

That's probably a fair point about the carving video, JB--I haven't really looked at it closely and I included because I thought it might interest so folks here.

As far as MA-regardless of what anyone says here, Tobin is a rippin' skier and we're not changing that- But I do think there is value in breaking apart his movements.  If some folks want to point out how some of these movements differ from the movements they'd like to ski in these situations-that's fine, I'm willing to read it.

But the real question is, for me anyway-what is he doing that works, or why does his skiing work well?  His 'Steep' video is just what everybody says..smooth.  But smooth in steep, bumpy terrain holding a narrow corridor at good speed (honestly, I'm not sure anyone could ski this faster while making controlled turns..he's certainly hit that 'Terminal velocity' jbotti mentioned in another thread).

I was going to put this in another thread--but check out this video:



It's a CSIA demo of  some advanced skiing skills-a mix of video and action still shots.  Some of it is a little flat-footed and instructor-ish-some of it is some very dynamic high level skiing.  At around minute 1:55 in the video, you get a guy in blue pants making some great short turns.  A lot of it looks similar to what Tobin is doing in the SEction 8 stuff-so I wonder if this style of turn is 'canadian thing' and if anyone out there is familiar with CSIA I still would like to know how you go about building up these kind of turns.

oh--and I have to laugh, is their really an East vs. West skiing debate lurking in this thread?  We can argue boxers or briefs next 

[bushwacka]

Besides..what the heck is the hurry? Gesh and what's all the insanity about the east being tougher than the west? Crap....is what I say.

it is, get over it. I am never challenged except by big cliffs skiing at snowbird, everything is open and despite being steeper its easier to ski.  Crap? do you really want to say that?  Everyone who I have gotten to come back to the east who has never skied here before has been owned by northern Vermont.

It was less extreme, but it tougher because things are tighter and the snow while quite often amazing powder skiing can be very
variable with sun crust and heavy snow.

Do say anything on the internet your not willing to back up with in real life. People who do not ski the east coast are not able or willing to back up there assertion that the east coast is lame.

[midwif]

Besides..what the heck is the hurry? Gesh and what's all the insanity about the east being tougher than the west? Crap....is what I say.

it is, get over it. I am never challenged except by big cliffs skiing at snowbird, everything is open and despite being steeper its easier to ski.  Crap? do you really want to say that?  Everyone who I have gotten to come back to the east who has never skied here before has been owned by northern Vermont.
Do say anything on the internet your not willing to back up with in real life. People who do not ski the east coast are not able or willing to back up there assertion that the east coast is lame.

Hmmm, Josh
I think Gary was saying the whole subject was crap. Not that the west was tougher than the east.

This is where inflection/tone of voice in a conversation lead to misinterpretion. Unless I am misinterpreting.

I don't think ANYONE here cares to debate the East vs West thing with you.

[jim-ratliff]

Midwif: I agree. I don't think anyone else cares.

And I certainly don't understand why Josh takes it as such a point of honor or pride.
He's proud of his skiing!!!  Good!
He needs all of us to affirm that?! He needs to be OK with himself, then he won't need that external affirmation (the voice of experience is speaking here).

Josh: if the guys that can ski your terrain appreciate your skills, then that should be enough. The opinions of we who can't or won't have no relevance.

[Gary]

BW....so happy for you and the fact that you can back up what you say with all on snow challenges. Hmmm....I'm also totally impressed with your vast and total knowledge of east and west resorts and backcountry.

My point was  "who cares whether the east is tougher than the west". The whole thing is just silly.

AND who cares how fast the person is skiing. I'm just one of those skiers that be smilin out the door of a heli in a Whistler Bowl or skiing the edges along a green run with friends playing with the terrain.

What I'm is NOT a Green Beret Skier....don't always need the speed or the extreme factor. What I am is respectful of good skiing whether it be CSIA, PSIA PMTS, CSM....or whatever!

If we try and tell everyone that one size fit's all, the skiing industry will flush itself down the drain. Find something that works, polish it and go have fun, it's just that simple.

I'll just leave it at that and go have a cup of tea!   G

[midwif]

Tea? Tea?

After my 10th cup of coffee, brewed with the finest imported water from France, the beans crushed underfoot by Vermont back-country skiers, then ground to a perfect consistency by whatever burr Ron has ( I Know that one is the best) and then latte-ed up with a foamy head of 1% milk ( the damn cholesterol issue) from ......Vermont cows, organic only, Jim will tell you, raised on specially bred grass from the Jersey Isles via Burma......

I realize I TOTALLY misunderstood your post.

Gee, you're right.
Tea would have been better.

 

[Gary]

Lynn...LOL....thank s for the course adjustment lady! G

[jbotti]

Nice weigthed release turns and some nice dolphins as well! All done on Head skis I might add!!

[jim-ratliff]

I have Head skis too  but mine won't make turns like those. Guess my skis must be defective??   

[Gary]

I'll bet a good base grind will fix them right up for ya Jim! 

[ToddW]

I have Head skis too  but mine won't make turns like those. Guess my skis must be defective??   

Sure ... talk about your skis like that publicly and continue to wonder why they decline top tier service to you.  I've met your ss magnums and know better.  They have a solid pedigree.  They crave tipping and deep retraction turns. 

You can mollify them.  But it is their nature to forgive only the genuinely contrite (Keelty rated them 2 for forgiveness.) The ritual of supplication takes place on a carpeted ramp in ski boots or on Harb Carvers.  I do hope this is your first transgression....

[Liam]

At around minute 1:55 in the video, you get a guy in blue pants making some great short turns. 

Interesting to see the massive flex to release.

I though you and JB might appreciate that (and the head skis)...I guess my PMTS eye ain't so bad neither!   Seriously though, it looks like there is some convergence at the highest end of CSIA and modern technique.  I just wonder how CSIA  teaches or builds those moves.  Tobin, from Section 8, is participating in a similar thread over on Epic-I'm interested to read what he has to say. 

[jim-ratliff]

Hi Todd. You've been quiet. I think my Magnums were from a year when they were much more forgiving. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't consider a ski that had such a demanding ' forgiveness' assessment.

[midwif]

At around minute 1:55 in the video, you get a guy in blue pants making some great short turns. 

Interesting to see the massive flex to release.

I though you and JB might appreciate that (and the head skis)...I guess my PMTS eye ain't so bad neither!   Seriously though, it looks like there is some convergence at the highest end of CSIA and modern technique.  I just wonder how CSIA  teaches or builds those moves.  Tobin, from Section 8, is participating in a similar thread over on Epic-I'm interested to read what he has to say.

The skier with the long hair, not so good.

And yes, the skier on the heads was laying down some beautiful turns.

L.