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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2011, 10:04:43 am »
My 2 ski quiver consists of Progressor 8 ( not yet skied ) and
Fischer Muanga waist 84.

Giving the Fischer's versatility, I would pick that as my only ski.
Soft enough for bumps, wide enough for me in powder at 120 lbs to float.
Decent carver on hardpack. My knees and ankles do feel them a bit more at the end of the day
than my previous narrower skis.

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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2011, 10:32:04 am »
Hmmmmm:

They are both Fischers. I assume you were picking the Muanga -- at least until you ski the OTHER Fischer.

Or were you trying to sneak around the  OP's original "pick one and only one" stricture?   :'(
And there is certainly plenty of precedent for selecting a ski you've never been on as the best all-around ski since sliced bread.
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2011, 10:35:09 am »
I've always felt like a skier chooses a ski based on the conditions they plan to ski, or ski most often... One-ski quiver? ...Only if you use one ski to ski everything... and don't be fooled into realizing you're giving something up somewhere. Make no mistake, one-ski quiver is a compromise. Depending on where you ski most often, you can tailor your one-ski quiver to that terrain so it is less of a compromise.
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2011, 10:42:58 am »
Hmmmmm:

They are both Fischers. I assume you were picking the Muanga -- at least until you ski the OTHER Fischer.

Or were you trying to sneak around the OP's original "pick one and only one" stricture?   :'(

Not trying to get around the ground rules as set forth by LP.
Just spaced on the Progressors' being of the Fischer lineage!

Yes, Muanga's would be my choice, if forced between the two. Based on the fact I ski more out west than here, in my northeast home.

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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2011, 11:41:42 am »
I agree wholeheartedly with Helluva as does probably everyone on the site. It is really nice to own a quiver!!

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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2011, 12:20:52 pm »
It's definitely nice to own a quiver. To those recommending one type of ski over another for a one-ski quiver - it is important to remember that one skier's one-ski-quiver might be another skier's one-day-per-season powder ski... or another skier's icy groomer-only ski. Terrain [should] dictates equipment choice, not the other way around.
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2011, 12:29:47 pm »
ski choice is a self full filling prophecy what you buy and own is what your going to ski.

And that's because what you bought is tailored for what you wanted to ski.  BW is right, its a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Unless, of course, you bought what the store guy said was HIS favorite ski.

Lynn and I have never had so much off-piste fun (and growing) as last year. Most of it was because I had a ski that worked well for me in those conditions.
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2011, 10:23:45 am »

Option 1.  Rent a real ski.   ;D   It's often easier to rent run-of-the-mill skis for days like that than the other direction trying to get get a good ski for a powder day.

Option 2. Go snow-shoeing, or stay in bed.
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2011, 10:44:16 am »

Or, better yet, make it a demo day and try several different "new" skis.

However, note that I do not even own a "Powder" ski. (nor do I own a ski with waist less than 70mm).
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2011, 10:56:08 am »
A good point by max--and in truth only BW suggested he'd own such a fat rockered ski as a 1 ski quiver.  But that off course, Is pure conjecture as neither he, nor anyone else here has a one ski quiver!  I have never skied with anyone who had such a ski as their one and only ski. 

Better question is, for someone looking for a one ski quiver-what specific ski would you recommend.  Heck, we can even fashion our own hypothetical 'every man' (or woman) skier. 

Let's say he's a strong Intermediate skier, likes to ski 'all terrain', but by that he means all terrain found typically in a main stream resort and nothing extreme.  Maybe we have two guys, one who skis at Vail and one who skis at Stowe.  The Stowe skier does not ski BW's backcountry options, but does try to ski Starr on occasion-doesn't look so great doing it, but not terrible either.   Both like groomers and ski (or try to ski) bumps and wider spaced trees when the conditions are good. 

This is a fairly typical example of the majority of resort skiers I run across.  They are also the sorts who are prime candidates of making a new one ski quiver purchase.  Oh, they don't want a ski to help them with lessons (though they may be taking them or enrolled in camps)-they just want a versatile ski. 

So what would you guys recommend?

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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2011, 11:09:24 am »



Fischer Watea 84.  (at least from a couple of years ago).  Kind of soft, but that's probably good for your hypothetical skier.  Holds an edge well, enough width to help float, enough side-cut to have a reasonable turn radius, soft enough to bend at the slower speeds your skier would have in the trees.  If he's a "Porsche driver" then the softness becomes limiting and it's not such a good fit.
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2011, 12:05:08 pm »
Watea 84 is a good one.  If he's got some money to burn, I could see a Stockli Rotor 84 as well.

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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2011, 01:17:42 pm »

Let's say he's a strong Intermediate skier, likes to ski 'all terrain', but by that he means all terrain found typically in a main stream resort and nothing extreme.  Maybe we have two guys, one who skis at Vail and one who skis at Stowe.  The Stowe skier does not ski BW's backcountry options, but does try to ski Starr on occasion-doesn't look so great doing it, but not terrible either.   Both like groomers and ski (or try to ski) bumps and wider spaced trees when the conditions are good. 

So what would you guys recommend?

Liam,
I must admit I got a chuckle out of a strong intermediate going down Starr at Stowe. That same person is an expert anywhere else. The front four continue to "own" me other than lower Lift Line. I don't get there much, but, they get so bumped and icy, especially higher up. My last trip down Goat was done mostly on my back for a good portion. In my opinion, MRG and Stowe, are different from most other eastern areas.

But, for myself as a "turner" and not "cruiser", in the east, a 78mm would be my best balanced choice, maybe down to a 72mm waist. Kastle, Head, Elan, Blizzard, Fisher make good carvers. I know that's not specific, but, the usual candidates are out there. Now, for a more of a aggressive. cruiser type, I'd think 78 to 88 waist and, again, more hard snow carver oriented. Not sure I'd do a Watea 84 as an eastern ski as it has a softer snow focus. I would take it out at Vail most days.

In the west, I think it would be very difficult to sell a ski less than 88 - 94 mm, and, I'd just keep my mouth shut instead of proving how little I know about big mountain western skiing.

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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2011, 01:45:30 pm »
Mike:

I had (actually, still have) the Watea 84 and it does east very well. We had a day at SnowBasin a couple of years back where it had rained and then frozen.  Off-piste was like cement, and it really handled edging on that well. It is pretty soft, so probably doesn't handle hard-charging fast skiers well (but I'm not one of those).

But I agree that 78 (like iM78) might be better all-around for east, especially for faster skier.
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Re: A One Ski Quiver
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2011, 05:53:00 pm »
A good point by max--and in truth only BW suggested he'd own such a fat rockered ski as a 1 ski quiver.  But that off course, Is pure conjecture as neither he, nor anyone else here has a one ski quiver!  I have never skied with anyone who had such a ski as their one and only ski. 

Better question is, for someone looking for a one ski quiver-what specific ski would you recommend.  Heck, we can even fashion our own hypothetical 'every man' (or woman) skier. 

Let's say he's a strong Intermediate skier, likes to ski 'all terrain', but by that he means all terrain found typically in a main stream resort and nothing extreme.  Maybe we have two guys, one who skis at Vail and one who skis at Stowe.  The Stowe skier does not ski BW's backcountry options, but does try to ski Starr on occasion-doesn't look so great doing it, but not terrible either.   Both like groomers and ski (or try to ski) bumps and wider spaced trees when the conditions are good. 

This is a fairly typical example of the majority of resort skiers I run across.  They are also the sorts who are prime candidates of making a new one ski quiver purchase.  Oh, they don't want a ski to help them with lessons (though they may be taking them or enrolled in camps)-they just want a versatile ski. 

So what would you guys recommend?

smart skiers ski where the snow is and the snow is never on starr or any of the front five at stowe. well sometimes lookout doesnt get hammered and scraped down to ice.

In all honesty the trees both sides of starr(or any of the front four) are much easier to ski than the runs themselves. Starr scares me, people fall and slide on it all the time and its always scaped clean by people skiing it who shouldnt be on it. the tree even when packed down are not icey and doesnt have the same slide for life as the Starr headwall.

the only time to ski the front four is when they are being sun soften or you get first runs on a bottomless powder day on them and the bumps are erased.

the thing is I am not skiing the same resort people are skiing. I documented 100 plus days of soft snow skiing last year at stowe. If I never went in the woods or hiked that number would be about a dozen days for maybe a couple hours. If you get after it here, you can almost ski powder. You only need a couple inches of snow for a fat ski to float above snow.

4-5 inches of snow on IM78 your hitting bottom and your wondering why people are using fat skis because the snow its dust on crust.
4-5 inches of snow on 110mm fat rockered ski your skiing 'bottomless" powder and having a ball while gapic skiers and most of the general public are wondering what the hell is going on?  Optimistic skis choice and alittle drive to get away from people leads to great skiing.

The point is I am value going uphill alot, there are days I ski 10000 vertical feet with out sitting on a chairlift. I would rather skin a 1000 foot glade a half dozen times than go ski icey groomers, and rutted bumps at stowe.  I also do not take nearly enough pictures because quite often I am alone persueing my own fun with nothing to prove.  this was 3 days after a storm in april. you can clearly see our skin track from the top of the quad and the tracks from the Gondi. Yet no one willing to put in the effort to ski this 1000 vertical foot line with no tracks on it. maybe this is Utah?



the same day the front 4 were scraped and icey.



its all about the places your willing to go though and you need these setups and a pair of lungs to do it fast



so Liam when you coming to stowe?