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jim-ratliff

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 04:12:06 pm »
Todd:
The bindings are so easy to adjust, do it in the midst of a class or private lesson and discuss with the instructor what they see in the video and what they recommend.
Educational in a couple of different ways.
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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2011, 08:36:50 am »
Todd....I've found that a change in binding position is noticeable within the very first 3 turns. Certainly video will help you SEE the difference, but moving your CM fore and aft on a ski, you WILL FEEL the difference instantly.

Finding that right position allows me to control my edges and balance from the most efficient position. Performance and endurance are huge positive results.

I have this dilema on every pair of skis I've owned....but once it's right...it's VERY right!

Be curious to hear how things work our for you.

Good luck...g

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2011, 09:22:38 am »
  ;D

Todd:  But don't forget that not only does the balance have to be right for normal (i.e. forward skiing) but you also want good balance when skiing switch, and the rotational inertia has to be balanced when getting big air in order to really stick the landings.  There's nothing worse than doing  flips or spins and having your skis mess with the timing of the landing because of inertial off-set.  ::)

I think all of these aspects are necessary to really find the sweet spot in the ski, at least for a dynamic and aggressive skier like me; and I'm sure Gary feels the same way.
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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2011, 12:14:32 pm »
For sure Jim....I concur!

Getting it right for those pesky ski jumps...you know the ones that carry 180 meters....yeah....i f your center mass is off....

it's bye bye...  :o

I'm thinking Jim would add...."windage and elevation my dear boy, windage and elevation"!  ;D


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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2011, 01:21:19 pm »
Most of us need video or the help of a coach to know which changes are beneficial and which are not.

Most probably need both actually.
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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2011, 05:30:21 pm »
Jim,

I'm only worried about the changed inertia tensor for the 720 with a back flip in the spring mogul challenge.  I'll try it in the pool first at Placid and get video for you.

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2011, 08:37:00 pm »
 :D

Yeah, that's always been a hard one for me as well.

When's your first trip west this year?
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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2011, 07:33:48 am »
Most of us need video or the help of a coach to know which changes are beneficial and which are not.

Most probably need both actually.

HelluvaSkier has uncanny ability to include humor and truth in a few words.  :P

Just sayin' but it seems weird that it's critical to get 1 cm ahead on a TT 80, but, Supershapes get skied on the line. The far greater variable is where the skier places weight. View 95+ % of still pictures posted and it will show the skier is back on the heels, and, I stand convicted as living proof of that crime.. One reason Helluva is so good is that he has his video camera as part of his gear. Video early this season is among my goals.

Fix your fore/aft balance.





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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2011, 08:17:41 am »
Todd...I'll pay for THAT video! 

Hmmmm...I have some thoughts....
I agree about the advantages of video....I just want to punch in a counterpoint that just dawned on me.

Last summer I was trying to improve my golf swing and went to national golf store that harnesses you up and analyzes your swing. From hips, to turn, to swing plane I mean more terms and angles than I can remember, BUT all in the name of getting that perfect swing. THEN, they have the audacity to put your swing video up frame by frame against or compared to that of a pro. After numerous hours of trying to match up my stats to those of the pro...I tucked my tail and went home to perfect my swing. Did I improve in some areas...oh yeah...but ultimately...it wasn't my swing anymore. I was so focused on trying to meet all the physical movements, I forgot that part of golf is the individuals natural swing based on my body mechanics. It's not like I"m going to be a pro...I was looking for ways to loose the mechanical leaks. Ultimately, I found a happy medium and found if I stay within myself, use my athletic abilites, I could golf pretty darn well, not hurt myself and even....dare I say....enjoy the game.

Ok before I find a dead horse head in my bed....the training, the videos are all good...really good. But being truthful to yourself about your physical abilities and to what makes you happy doing your sport...that feeling.....in my mind rules!

Ok....I'm ready for the onslaught!  8)

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2011, 09:13:49 am »
One reason Helluva is so good is that he has his video camera as part of his gear.

I am extremely lucky to have a wonderful girlfriend who has spent countless hours shooting video of me over the last few seasons. Without her I would not ski how I do. Sometimes I think she is more dedicated to my improvement than I am.

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2011, 09:29:36 am »

Last summer I was trying to improve my golf swing and went to national golf store that harnesses you up and analyzes your swing.

THEN, they have the audacity to put your swing video up frame by frame against or compared to that of a pro.

Ultimately, I found a happy medium and found if I stay within myself, use my athletic abilites, I could golf pretty darn well, not hurt myself and even....dare I say....enjoy the game.

Ok....I'm ready for the onslaught!  8)

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G,

This summer I did some video with my Golf pro. Since my rant about fore/aft in skiing somewhat triggered your video thoughts, my golf video showed conclusively that my fore/aft golf swing motions brought me much too far onto my toes during the swing. I was using skiing mechanics in my golf swing......a major no-no. I fought, and continue to fight, that shift of weight to my toes. It does not go away and I can't simply "will it" away.  I have taken subsequent video where I concentrated on remaining better balanced, but, the resulting video shows I still go forward, although much less. That video is simple, objective data. All the talent I own cannot overcome the swing compensations caused by that forward movement. I am playing much better because a base problem was identified and corrected.

I too have had my swing compared to a pro (V.J. Singh was selected). In golf, just about all pro's will tell anyone that if they try to change a persons swing, the people will not return. So, they just try to make minor adjustments (ie tips) to improve ball flight. The store you were in was trying to sell a service. Run for your life.

The parallel argument I will make, is that using video to identify a single major error can be very effective, but, even if cured, it will not make a skier/golfer a pro. We, who accept PMTS, do so with a very long term goal of changing our thinking and technique about very basic movements. It's not a about traditional "tip" instruction used in golf. In the PMTS forum, many post video about their PMTS skiing and the feedback is that they are not really doing PMTS. No subjective b.s., no generalizations, no "it's all good".

I will never turn like Harald, or, swing like V.J. (at least in this lifetime). I just find it funny that so many obsess with some aspect of getting equipment "right", in both golf and skiing, then, just don't want to be bothered with technique. That does not apply to you, my technique brother! Hey,  I understand that most just want to go out and have fun during a day on the slopes - the day that skiing becomes work - will be my last on skis.

I'd advise anyone to go get some video, and, see what it tells you.

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2011, 09:39:10 am »
Some good points indeed Mike...

I should add that for many skiers, new gear be it fatter, rockered, and all the variations we find out there today like both Max and JB stated...(paraphrasing here) allows some skiers not so "technically gifted" to go out and ski lines and conditions that would otherwise be impossible for them to ski. Having said that..."that ain't such a bad thing" as long as they're getting a great feeling about enjoying their sport AND they don't run into me!  ;)

For guys like many here including me...I'm always looking for ways to make each on snow experience the most fun and best time I can make it....learning about myself, strenghts and weaknesses has made it it easier for me to find my happy place.

Best, g

PS Mike..ya kinda have that VJ swagger! :D
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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2011, 11:10:58 am »


PS Mike..ya kinda have that VJ swagger! :D

G,

I just wish that the swagger associated with career earnings was anywhere equal. ;D

Getting really, really into drift, but,

I'm guessing your pro must have been.....Corey Pavin!

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2011, 11:29:10 am »
:D

Yeah, that's always been a hard one for me as well.

When's your first trip west this year?

1) I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one with occasional trouble.  It's the days when the air is humid and a bit thicker that I sometimes land a tad askew.

2) Barring surprises, next Fri-Sun at Loveland.  Hoping for a repeat of the Halloween blizzard of 2 years ago.  Then back the week of the 14th for the short turn camp. 

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Re: Icon TT 80 -- binding position??
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2011, 12:28:18 pm »
Good connection Mike...Corey is our homegrown boy....Not sure how well he's drifting lately!

And Heck Mike...it's only money...just think of all the pressure to be a VJ....you'd never have anytime to make turns..

now that is truly a quadruple bogy!  :o  gesh...so corny...I had that kind of lunch today!  :-\

Todd...hoping you get some Halloween blizzard and get plenty of pics and video to share with your snow starved brothers and sisters!

G