Clendenin and Lindsy Vonn

[Gary]

Thanks Max..good to know...to clarify...I meant in his marketing material.

BTW...I got an email back from John...he thought putting up some expert bump skiing (his words "bad ass" skiing) was a great idea. You guys got the credit.

G

[bushwacka]

Max and Gary do you guys mean the new outside ski?

I hate using the terms uphill and downhill ski personally because in any good turns the skis are engaged upside down before they come around.

[Gary]

Yup Bush....or the new uphill ski.

Max, I personally find engaging the uphill edge of the uphill ski gives me another tool to shorten the turn radius, manage speed and turn shape and another edge to trust than a dominant downhill big toe edge that in icy or scraped off condition may slide out.

In 3 d snow varying use of both uphill edges of both skis I think provides more connection to the snow and quicker response time with less effort in those conditions.

Max....in 3d snow...what do you use the uphill edge of the uphill ski for?  Or do you use that uphill ski at all?

G

[gandalf]

In short WC skiing has little application to what JC is teaching to vacationers. These kinds of interviews and guest coaching sessions are done for publicity for both sides. Apologies for being blunt.

It's OK to be blunt -- as long as it's done respectfully. 

[Gary]

Since I ski 3 d snow two footed as well Max...not sure I understand what point you're trying to make..but, for me, the uphill ski is tipped and either scrapped in or pulled under the hips and my weight is put on that uphill edge...% based on how much turn shape and speed management I need. If I center on the uphill ski, depending on how much weight is delivered to that ski, I might end up with diverging tips...the uphill ski starting off in the next turn with the downhill ski skimming the ground..this quickly initiates a turn... AND honestly Max...if that doesn't answer your question, I probably won't be able to...If you have a point to make...make it.....I believe if you're big toe downhill ski dominant, you may not be able to experience this or maybe you do but you find that uphill edge differently....or I'm very poor at explaining.

Hope that helps....G

[jim-ratliff]

Max:
I think that Gary's inside ski - little toe edge drag is similar to your Phantom Drag, but I think he would have a lot more weight and pressure on that ski. In fact, Gary, is this initiation of transition?  I would agree that, by comparison, we are big toe edge of outside ski dominant (even if the weight distribution is 60-40.

[jim-ratliff]

Max: 
I think that you are splitting hairs in assuming that this is  the definition of BTE that Gary was intending.  From the context, I feel he was merely contrasting CSM as little toe edge focused as opposed to PMTS being big toe edge focused. I agree with you that a more  rigorous use of terms  might have been "inside ski - little toe edge" versus "outside ski - big toe edge" but I was still able to get his point.

Of course, the conversations on Epic that put me to sleep are the ones that are mostly arguments about what various terms REALLY mean and all the nuances.. You wind up so far down in the grass that you forget you were talking about the forest.

[Gary]

Jim....Phantom Drag...at initiation...sounds the same as tip and scrape and taught to all 1st time CSM skiers.  AND you're correct Jim with regards to how much the uphill ski can be loaded...it's only this season that I've been able to actually use that uphill edge almost 90 to 100% loaded for certain conditions (some "save my ass moments") when I wanted and what an exciting tool that is I'll tell ya. 

Max...I almost fell off my chair when you said "A big toe edge (BTE) dominant skier will be on both big toe edges at transition"....eek...this would be horrifying  ...but this poor soul is either extremely knock kneed or in need of some serious lessons....

For us...Terms might be different but I really think there's lots of cross over in some points in application.

Thanks Guys...I think we have arrived and closed the circle...best, g




 

[Gary]

Balanceing and centering on the uphill edge of the uphill ski really does...the tipping and brushing set up the recentering so I can bring that ski back up under the hips so I can migrate center mass to when and where needed. Do you remember the "banana drill"..? I remember arching turns across the slope with Harold leaving a clean uphill carve with just the baby toe edge of the uphill ski. Goal was to see one clean line on the snow.

That's what I feel when doing it anyways.  g

[meput]

This and the hip separation thread are interesting discussions. They have caused me to buy JC's book Four Words for Great Skiing. If my understanding is correct, re-centering is the equivalent to an early stance ski release and transfer to the LTE ski in anticipation of the upcoming turn. If my memory serves me correctly, this has been described in ACBAES #1 & #2 as an early release/transfer in bumps to ensure engagement at the optimal time in to turn (engage) in relationship to the upcoming mogul.

I find it curious that JC has come up with a whole new glossary of terms for movements and actions that HH has already well labeled and defined. I find it confusing that JC uses centering and re-centering in relationship to both fore/aft position and ski to ski weighting.

Overall, I find nothing new in JC's book that has not been described by HH.

[Gary]

Hey Metput...good on ya....yup I think there are lot's of cross over skill sets but...

Potato pototo Tomato tomoto.....if it works, it's all good 

TO ALL: Happy Easter, Passover or whatever gets you a chocolate bunny! 

G

[meput]

Happy Easter, Passover to all.

Max, I agree there are definite differences between what JC is propagating vs PMTS. I suppose I should have said, "I find nothing new in JC's book that has not been described by HH that makes me want to change my approach to skiing".

[Gary]

No new video yet Max but John posted a picture of the  4 instructors at Portillo skiing a zipper line we all helped create. It got so deep, we the students couldn't ski it...but take a look...

These guys were a freight train....I think it's a great shot of them ripn' a deep trench zipper line.

G

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[jim-ratliff]

I was gonna say that.