Share the mogul video?

[midwif]

Max 501

Just looked at the video you posted on the pmts site.
Would you be willing to post it here too?

That is really great video. The skier looks like he is just skimming over
the moguls. His touch on the snow light and sure.
Being able to see it at that speed and so clearly is eye opening.

And the tipping you can see on the free foot!

Do you see anything in that video to critique?
I don't, but my MA skills are very nascent.

L.

[smackboy1]

As my public service for today, here it is:



It's part of a super slow series. The others demonstrate short and long turns:

[jim-ratliff]

Max, Heluva, Bushwacka, and anyone else:

I echo what Lynn said.  I don't have a good eye and would like to become more observant.
I'm probably more interested, at this point, in the Short Turns and Long Turns video than the bumps.

If you can, I would be interested in two different pieces of information.

1. A conclusion or assessment of a component of technique (or tactics?).
2. What you physically observed that led to that conclusion. (maybe with a time).

Thanks in advance. I was surprised at the amount of snow being thrown off in the short turns (Helluva's turns look cleaner than that?, but that may just be a difference in surface), and since I can't do high speed short turns I don't know if that's unusual or not. In my World Cup days, snow getting thrown off the skis indicated sliding edges? 

[smackboy1]

Is it me or is the guy in the long turn video aligned a bit too much to the inside on his right boot?

[meput]

Like the moguls and short turn.

Don't like the long turn. Too much inclination without counterbalance. Early leg extension of the stance leg in the high C leading to collapse of the stance leg in low C to lessen building forces on the stance leg. Appears to have a moderate amount of weight on the inside LTE, "drifting" as Clendenin advocates.

[LivingProof]

Some great bump skiing going on here. Someone needs to tell PSIA that keeping your feet together is a good thing.

My thoughts are his technique centers about very athletic deep flexing movement to absorb the moguls which sets him up to make the very quick displacement of the ski tail, somewhat similar to the PMTS brushed turn. It's pretty clear that there is an active retraction movement as he pulls the skis up and his knees almost touch his chest. Many in the PMTS community, including Max, have advocated this active flexion using the ab muscles in place of the basic "relax the stance leg". In Harald's last video, he has a section where he describes the active feet pull up, but, he does not demonstrate an equal amount of flexing.
 
Looking at the short turn video and applying the concept of "Form follows Function", he's a bump skier not a racer. Same very deep flexing, almost too deep and too extended a period of time, for non-bump skiing. Again, he moves the tails across the fall line so quick, it must be a brushing movement. In Harald's blog, there is a recent video where he contrasts brushing vs carving, and, in the first part, HH skis in a style similar to the short turn video. Check it out below.



Not impressed with the long turn video, skiing is sloppy compared to the other two.

From the standpoint of a recreational skier, 99.9% of us can benefit by working of leg flexing and extending, both in and out of bumps. I only dream about being strong and skilled enough to get 50% as flexed as these videos.

Max, any recent short term video of you in that great late season snow you are enjoying? We've not seen you on skis in a while.

[jim-ratliff]

Max beat me, but...

LP: I'm not sure they are similar. A brushed carve isn't a "very quick displacement of the ski tail".  It's a soft edged displacement of the entire ski laterally, it doesn't change the orientation of the ski to the fall line (as pushing the tails around the corner does).

To me it almost looks like he's hopping from one pair of edges to the other with a hard edge set on the landing.

I'm still waiting for the instructor thoughts and observations.

[jim-ratliff]

Don't like the long turn. Too much inclination without counterbalance. Appears to have a moderate amount of weight on the inside LTE, "drifting" as Clendenin advocates.

That is a lot like my skiing.  I have a little bit of upper body separation when turning left, but way too much inclination and weight on my inside ski when turning right.


That same slope where Lynn's avatar picture was taken was a left turn -- I could look pretty good on that corner but we never got a picture.

[LivingProof]

I'm still waiting for the instructor thoughts and observations.

I've been trumped. Time to leave this thread!

[jim-ratliff]

Not so Grasshopper.  I was caveating    my comment with a "YOMV" and a truly knowledgeable opinion may vary as well.  I agree with your observation about the tails of the skis, but not sure what it implies.
Sometimes I wish Max would just give me the answer instead of another question. 

[smackboy1]

Sometimes I wish Max would just give me the answer instead of another question. 

It's the Socratic Ski School. Class is in session 

[jim-ratliff]

I don't see a "very quick displacement of the ski tail" in the mogul video

That was an observation of the short turns video.

SMACKBOY: I agree that theres something funny about his outside leg on both sides, and especially the right leg when turning left.  Is he twisting his knee in which makes his lower leg look like it is sort of hanging out there?

[smackboy1]

SMACKBOY: I agree that theres something funny about his outside leg on both sides, and especially the right leg when turning left.  Is he twisting his knee in which makes his lower leg look like it is sort of hanging out there?

Socratic Ski School, where everything has to be phrased as a question 

Does it looks to me like his boots are canted so he is skiing slightly knock kneed? So in order to tip his edges over, can one see his stance/outside knee drops to the inside, resulting in an A frame? I don't think he is twisting, is he?

Have you contrasted HH's slow mo video? Aren't his shins pretty much parallel (and his torso more counter balanced)?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/TtXJDsMcf0o" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/TtXJDsMcf0o</a>

[jim-ratliff]

I agree Harald's video is much cleaner, parallel shins, less snow being thrown sideways by the skis.


What I don't have the eyes to see is whether the A-frame look is because of alignment or whether he is driving his knee to the inside and that is what causes the lower leg to show such a noticeable a-frame.


And you are right, maybe he is just knock-kneed.
I also think he is skiing with a lot of weight on his inside ski (PMTS free foot) and when I don't do a clean transition and get off balance that way, my outside ski often goes meandering away similar to how his looks.

[HighAngles]

The outside ski "meandering away" happens to me if I enter the new turn without re-centering (foot pullback) to achieve sufficient tip pressure.